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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well just sold my first spices ... Laughing .... Old army buddy came over this morning to dump off some car parts and I asked him to try some of the left over chicken from last night.

Took a bite and said this chicken is the best I have cooked to date and he like to make some up for his daughters birthday party next week, so made him up 150grams of spices and got $10 for it ...


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Lent him my pressure fryer but I will have to teach him this Saturday how to cook up the chicken, so Saturday will be a KFC and Beer day with mates, my Dr and wife are going to be as angry as a frog in a sock if they find out ... Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chook Cook,

If Colonel Sanders did say there was 'something special' in his recipe, would that not mean he was talking about something different, or something unexpected, or unusual, compared to similar recipes?

So should we be looking for something that is not in any of the other seasonings instead?

I think I know why some of the members opted for vanilla many years ago on this forum (way before my time on here) and that is because of the colonel's ties with Marion Kay and particularly his life-long friend, Bill Summers, who started the MK company by bringing cheaper imitation vanilla to the masses...

It wasn't that expensive as the poster/flyer here shows:

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The letter above the flyer is dated 1st December 1956. So the price was affordable to the general public and would easily have been affordable to Sanders whilst at Sanders Cafe in the 1940’s and early 1950’s.

Now I'm not trying to ram vanilla down anyone's throat here, I'm just saying there are links between the colonel and Vanilla and it was affordable.

There is something that is clear to me and that is, whatever it is in Vial C, in a high definition photograph of the vials you can clearly see that it's content is very different to the other 10 vials. The texture is different and there are small gaps to the bottom left of the glass vial which when zoomed-in, do look like 'a scraped vanilla bean'... I have had this on my 32 inch computer screen and I can see why some might believe it is Vanilla.

Just to add to that, are the two patents of William Stange, who invented a process of heating herbs and spices in a liquid and absorbing their concentrated flavours into everyday cornstarch and dextrose. Which is how vanilla powder was invented, albeit today they seem to use the less sweet maltodextrin as the carrier, which really is just dextrose, but with a sweetness value below DE20.

I have evidence that the corporate recipe bags did list dextrose on their list of ingredients and I can also prove from an ingredient list obtained recently from KFC.com that they have added maltodextrin to the list of ingredients for the original recipe chicken.

All this of course maybe coincidence, but I can see how and why the Vanilla ingredient has been selected or chosen to be one of the 11 spices and herbs.

It's right though that I should keep an open mind about these things and there is one thing I will mention that seems to point in a similar, but possibly also slightly different direction and that is a connection between The Colonel and a company called Griffith Laboratories (no connection to my name by the way) ... That was a pharmaceutical company run by Father and Son, Enoch and Carroll Griffiths.

This pharmaceutical laboratory company, produced dry ingredients from liquid seasonings and vice versa and were dedicated to improving meat and bakery products. They created such things as soy protein concentrates in powdered form and did similar things with natural and liquid smoke flavours and barbecue glaze.

They also improved flours and texture etc.

This Father & Son partnership grew in a similar way to the expansion of KFC and opened in the same Countries at around the same time ... Now I originally thought that this company was just involved in the flour & texture aspect, but it could be a case that they are also connected to 'the spice and herbs' side of things... I have also noted that they specialise in MSG replacement.

I personally think this company needs to be explored further and perhaps that might give some clues as to whether or not it is vanilla in vial C.

Vials C and E are both very dark and I don't believe myself that they are Allspice and Clove... (Just an opinion from my own past taste trials), but I do think one is Clove and the other is this 'something special' as mentioned above.

My own research is still going on into Griffith Laboratories as I think there is more to be discovered along this path.

A brief history of the company ... A link to where I began my own research:

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By the way Chook shouldn't you be resting? I'm going to email your wife and cardiologist and 'grass you up' for going out with your mates drinking beer and frying chicken ... The words 'Devine Wind' or 'God Wind' come to mind... I'm sure you know what that means in Japanese!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chook Cook,

Can I ask what are the small bright red 'flecks/flakes' I can see when I zoom in on your seasoning mix image above?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken_Griffiths wrote:
Chook Cook,

Can I ask what are the small bright red 'flecks/flakes' I can see when I zoom in on your seasoning mix image above?

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Like KFC Japan I use mixed peppercorns of Black, White and Pink, I buy the whole peppercorns and grind them myself.

As for the vials, they are nothing more then a public relations stunt, and people fell for it left, right and centre, and if anyone on here had the 11 KFCHQ would have lawyers shut down this forum and have the servers wiped in seconds.



As for vanilla being one of the 11, you have to remember when Sanders was starting up he was on the bones of his arse, and would have gone for the cheapest spices at the time, and marion kay spices are cheap, you can tell if a product is high quality or not by the way a company packages their product, and marion kay spices uses cheap plastic bottles, cheap labels and their webpage is a joke, I can put my money on it most of there spices would come from China.

Something special could have been sweat dripping off his forehead as he worked over the fryer. Laughing



Resting, nah will have a lot of time for that when dead, been too busying reading all the threads on here and getting a few good laughs.

As for emailing my wife, I think she will find out when I do not come home Saturday night
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well here is 100% PROOF that KFC Japan is still making chicken as Sanders instructed, they are still using the Milk and Egg wash, not powdered rubbish like every where else. So it is a safe bet they are still making the O.R. Sanders invented.

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OH and also KFC Japan CM are a hell of a lot better then the rubbish we see in Australia.

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Drool, young ladies! Razz

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and forgot to mention, made up some Chicken Salt using basically the ingredients in KFC Chicken Salt about 6 months ago, as I love Chicken Salt on chips, but it was just not right, so added some Chicken Bouillon powder the wife got from Chinatown, and boy it tastes GOOOD! Got the idea of the Chicken Bouillon from reading other Chicken Salt recipes on the net.


KFC's Chicken Salt Recipe 

Salt 
MSG 
Sugar
Onion Powder 
Garlic Powder 
Cornstarch
White Pepper 
Citric Acid 
Turmeric 
Paprika 
Celery Seed
+ Chicken Bouillon Powder 



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow Chook! That Japanese KFC advert from YouTube is EXTRAORDINARY! And they DO show a milk wash!

It felt like I was watching Kentucky Fried Chicken being prepared in the 1960s... Magnificent stuff.

I gotta get me a holiday to Japan! Wanna come, mate? Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Colonel wrote:
Wow Chook! That Japanese KFC advert from YouTube is EXTRAORDINARY! And they DO show a milk wash!

It felt like I was watching Kentucky Fried Chicken being prepared in the 1960s... Magnificent stuff.

I gotta get me a holiday to Japan! Wanna come, mate? Wink

TC


Wife is talking about heading off to Japan come Christmas, so come Christmas I will be enjoy real KFC O.R Razz

Looks like we will be moving from Perth to Brissy, Wife's sister, husband and kid are talking about moving to Brisbane, so if that is the case we will move, which is OK as I was there a few years back for 12 months and loved the place, mate runs a Aikido Dojo is Brissy, so I will have some where to train if we move, TC where you located mate? You will have to come over for a BBQ and Beers.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marion Kay used to produce their spices in Metal Cans like most spice producers of their time, even some where in glass that came in a gift basket set. Just because MK went to plastic containers in no way makes it cheap. There is a difference with Marion Kay, and im sure most here can attest too, heck even the Colonel thought so.

And just a side note for those that think that the colonel utilized cheap spices instead of expensive, more exotic spices of his day..... just look what happened after 1964. Margaret Sanders states in her book that one of the very first things brown and Co did was buy lower quality spices and herbs for cost cutting. Which logically indicates that the Colonel utilized high quality. Just something too keep in mind folks.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK last night I upset the wife and make Chicken again, I tired this recipe that I posted on another thread.



Milk and Egg Wash :
400ml Whole Milk to 1 Large Egg

Spices, Greatest amount to smallest :
Mixed pepper as the adverts use Black, White and Pink
Sage
Coriander
Rosemary
Marjoram
Ginger
Garlic
Paprika <------- I am looking in to this
Thyme
Allspice
Cinnamon

Fine flake salt 3 tsp
MSG 6 tsp

Flour :
200g mix of hard and soft

Oil :
Mix of Corn and Canola

After pressure frying, 20 minutes in a 75℃ oven to drain.


Results .... Over all taste was fantastic, but the cinnamon I think was just a little too much and you could taste it. Paprika will be dropped in the next recipe and will return to Fennel Seeds. It needed more Ajinomoto, and I have decided to change the flour I am using, going to order in some cake flour from a professional supplier.

Changing my oil to 100% Corn oil


Wife was pissed as Dr said I need to lay off unhealthy foods for a while, but she did love the chicken and said the taste is getting there, apart from the cinnamon being too much. Really need a trip to Japan to taste their O.R. as they seem to be still doing it the way that Sanders taught them.

So keeping the 8 from KFC Japan and adding the Rosemary and Cinnamon is working ....


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Savory and Nutmeg out and Rosemary and Cinnamon in.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cook,

I like those spices and herbs you mention, and remember the food critics comments? As far as the Red Pepper though, it is in the Crop and 99X. As far as it not matching the vials, it still could be present.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dprovo wrote:

I like those spices and herbs you mention, and remember the food critics comments?



Nope I don't, what was his comments?


Anyway people have a great weekend, off to a mates place today too teach him how to fry up some chicken. Speaking to him last night, he has bought 5 whole 2.5kg birds and 3 cartons of beer and a few bottles of scotch. Wife is going to pissed come Sunday if I manage to get home ... Laughing Well just about 8:20am here so time for Full English Breaky as need the cals for today.

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A lot can be learned from this article.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In reading this article about the KFC reviewers, I don't recall reading any mention of savory or thyme, as suggested by members of this forum.

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smallgree wrote:
In reading this article about the KFC reviewers, I don't recall reading any mention of savory or thyme, as suggested by members of this forum.


Its in the Link I posted above:

Andries De Groot mentions savory.

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