happy now toad?

Colonel why do you let Brodie go on with his limp posts? You delete my posts but his gives nothing to this forum and serves no good purpose. He offends most here by his rude talk. If he is not controlled he will make more people leave. Where is his recipes?

Todhennings wrote:

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Colonel why do you let Brodie go on with his limp posts? You delete my posts but his gives nothing to this forum and serves no good purpose.

Tod, are you denying that both you and he were going at it hammer and tong, in an argument which culminated in you mentioning a Military Career, and that in that career you'd killed "many men" who were just like Brodie? Talk such as that is unacceptable: it violates forum rule #1, and it degrades the memory of true soldiers who fight and die for their country, and who would NEVER dream of insulting and intimidating a "civvie" utilising apparent "kills" in a war...

It was quite offensive. Please, don't do it again.

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Why in the world would the Colonel let Brodie speak here?

Edward, when I first came back from my hiatus, if I noticed a dispute (and there were several) I viewed every participants post in that dispute and deleted all the offensive ones, irrespective of who wrote it. I try to be "fair & balanced" at all times... Now, it's true that Brodie was quite the "cheeky bugger" during my absence, but his "opponents" weren't perfect either, not by a long shot. The insults flew thick and fast from both sides...

Now, I have re-read the posts above and I find nothing offensive in what Brodie has written (If you do please, PM me). In fact, my impression is that he only started speaking up because he felt that 99-X was "under attack". He is only pointing out what he feels is the truth (i.e. that 99-X whilst not perfect, is based on the O.R of old according to the evidence, which no one here has disputed.)

I also recall Dennis stating that he preferred the Extra Cruspy to the O.R of old... Brodie has spoken the truth there as far as I know, should I penalise him for that?

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That's what we're searching for and 99-X ain't it.

Lumpy my friend, let me get this straight: You have admittedly NEVER tried 99-X but you've already written it off? By what possible logic would you do that Lumpy? That seems quite unfair... and not the way proper research is done.

Do you dispute the fact that Bill Summers, the owner of Marion Kay and a close friend of Colonel Sanders, met with the owner of "The Pines", Gary, and told him specifically that 99-X IS the Original Recipe?

Do you dispute that KFC sued Marion Kay in Court for producing a spice mix which was then being sold to KFC Franchisees (with the judge finally ruling that only KFC could on-sell its spice mix to its Franchisees)?

Do you dispute the fact that only a strict minority here disagree with the proposition that 99-X - at the very least - is very close to the O.R of old?

Well, if you do - and this is addressed to all members equally - then please, formulate an argument and enlighten us. Show us where, how and why, we're wrong. Because we're only interested in the truth of the matter.

As you know, in our mutual search for the O.R of Colonel Sanders there is very little evidence overall which hints at, or points towards the true ingredients in that awesome recipe. So, when we do find that evidence, we hold onto it for dear life, unless clear proof is brought to the contrary... And it makes no sense, that in the face of hard evidence, people start blindly saying that 99-X "isn't the O.R of old", especially when they haven't even disproven the obvious facts of the case!

Each person is allowed their opinion, for sure; but if you want to dispute the veracity of 99-X being the O.R publicly then you NEED to address the evidence first. Yes, you can say that it's been "watered down"... or that's it's "missing something", but to simply say that it isn't the O.R at all... well, then such an approach reeks of a hidden agenda as far as I'm concerned...

Now, are we on the same team or not? Can we work together on this wonderful mission of ours? I certainly hope so... but if y'all choose not too, then the rest of us will continue as always, and no disputes - nor anything KFC Corp does - can stop us

That code is ours... KFC Corp lost the right to it a long while back, and we're here to reclaim it for the people

So, let's do it! And let's not be distracted by unnecessary arguments!

Lumpy wrote:

Hey Kid! When you get back from your mini-vacation, I'll take you up on your offer to try some 99-X. Let me know where you want to meet and I'll be there. L

Sounds great! I'll let you know. I'll give you 99-x and Chicken Seasoning Plus so you can really see what it's about. Maybe you can bring a 'soda' or two while we discuss!

~Kid

Edited last entry. I'm man enough, how bout you Brodie?
Ed

i cant quit you eddie!

In response to The Colonel's questions and concerns, I did not mean to suggest that Bill Summers didn't have intimate knowledge of The Original Recipe. What I did mean to convey is that in accordance with the stated goal here at The Colonel's Kitchen, we should be trying to uncover Colonel Sanders' secret recipe, not Bill Summers' one. I realize there are many similarities, but there is at least one significant difference which could change the entire flavour profile.

And btw Colonel, as you know, Kid Knievel has offered to share both his remaining 7 ounces of 99-X and his almost entire amount of Chicken Seasoning Plus with me. It was a gracious offer indeed and I'm going to accept it when he returns from his upcoming 10 day vacation.

You've all convinced me as it relates to 99-X. if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

I'm still going ahead with Lumpy 2.1 on Thursday though.

L

i swear tod, you and dennis the menace seem to have a personal h**d on for me. dennis was so put out by my legitimate questions regarding his comments, he left the forum. you guys wouldnt be related by chance? p.s. i dedicated my first recipe to you. my little way of saying, cant we all get along? thats my wish for us my friend.

Guys, in the 3 years this forum has been here, I have NEVER banned a single individual. Some have come close, but in the end we talked and worked things out.

However, Tod (i.e. todhennings) has just earnt the distinction of being the very first person to have been banned from the Colonel's Kitchen... His last post (which is now gone!) was quite offensive. In it he set about deriding both myself and TCK as a whole, declaring that we'd "lost our direction" and that while he "knows" the recipe, we'll never find it... yada yada.....

I realised at this point that he is either a KFC shill, or one of those poor souls looking to boost their self-esteem by pretending they have "the" recipe, whilst stringing others along on a wild ego trip (they usually end up Pm'ing someone - their "biggest fan" - and requesting cash in return for "the" recipe). Well, he can play that game elsewhere...

Here at the Colonel's Kitchen we are serious about our mission, and every fact which helps us towards that end is crucial as far as I'm concerned. You never know what aspect of the Colonel's life could reveal, or hint at, one of the ingredients to his famous recipe! Or what otherwise seemingly "unimportant" fact could trigger one of our members to do some speculative research which turns out some gold!

It's happened... I've seen it.

You guys (especially you old TCK-timers) know that I don't take these decisions lightly. But I simply couldn't risk "Tod" destroying the harmony we have on our beloved forum.

He was clearly a troublemaker... but now he is gone.

Now, let's forget about distractions and crack that code!

OK, hopefully that whole todhennings issue is behind us.

I'm still concerned about 99-X. Please don't get me wrong, but if there is one major ingredient in 99-X which wasn't in Colonel Sanders' Secret Recipe, how is that going to help us?

Kid Knievel speculated a couple of weeks ago that Sage could be the only different ingredient. What if it isn't? Or what if it is? We seem to be chasing 2 different recipes here; 99-X and the O.R.

Many of you think by uncovering Bill Summers' magic, we'll be closer to finding Colonel Sanders' Original Recipe chicken. I don't happen to concur. If someone has positive proof that there is only one extra ingredient in 99-X that wasn't in the 11 Spices and Herbs, then name that ingredient here and now, so that our search for the Holy Grail will be on its final leg. All we'll need to do is finalize the quantities and ratios excluding that particular 99-X spice or herb. Hmmmm, not such an easy task is it?

As a matter of fact, if the Chairman of the Board of Yum Brands emailed us the actual list of ingredients without the correct quantities or proportions, we'd probably still be here 2 years from now trying to get it right.

Look folks, I hate to say it, but we really have only one thing to rely on these days and that's the fading taste buds of geezers like me. But there is one thing I will take with me to my grave which many of you will never experience and that is a vivid memory of what the real Original Recipe chicken tasted like. C'mon folks, some of you weren't even born when Colonel Sanders sold his chicken empire for a measly $2,000.000 so how can you claim to know what the Original Recipe chicken tasted like?

Every member of this fine board should be proud of his or her contribution, but what it really comes down to is taste; not what we think it might have tasted like, but how it actually did.

I know...... and when I taste it again, I'll know it. And I guess I need to keep trying until I do.

L

Lumpy wrote:

... Many of you think by uncovering Bill Summers' magic, we'll be closer to finding Colonel Sanders' Original Recipe chicken. I don't happen to concur. If someone has positive proof that there is only one extra ingredient in 99-X that wasn't in the 11 Spices and Herbs, then name that ingredient here and now, so that our search for the Holy Grail will be on its final leg. All we'll need to do is finalize the quantities and ratios excluding that particular 99-X spice or herb. Hmmmm, not such an easy task is it?

Actually, I reckon it couldn't be easier... I 've said it several times before, but I'll say it again for clarity:

There is one particular ingredient in 99-X which is very easy to identify, which stands out like a wort on your nose, and which most definitely is NOT in KFC's O.R.

It is chili flakes... now, a spice with a profile as large as a chili flake is a very noticable piece of matter. Almost as noticable as black pepper specks IMHO... But Lumpy, do you recall ever biting into a piece of O.R during the 60's and getting a piece of chili stuck between your teeth? I doubt it... If it had been there, it is one of those spices that would have been a "prominent" feature of the O.R. and would have had people talking about it over the years. But I haven't heard a single person declaring, "You know... I use to eat the O.R in the 50's, 60's and 70's and I distinctly recall biting into it and tasting a hot chili-like taste..." I ain't never heard anyone express a sentiment such as that. To my mind the chili flakes in 99-X stand out like "hip pockets in underwear"! (Sorry guys, an Aussie expression)

The addition of chili flakes to 99-X makes sense from a logical standpoint as well; because Bill Summers, the owner of Marion Kay, was a good friend of Colonel Sanders, and when the Colonel honored him by basically giving him the recipe, it was an enormous show of respect: A great trust from a man whose reputation depended on it's secret being kept!

To my mind I can NOT imagine Bill Summers messing with the flavor profile of 99-X (i.e. I do not believe he would seek to alter the flavor of the O.R, as such), BUT, I can imagine him saying to himself, "You know, that's a wonderful recipe, but I feel it needs just a bit more 'zing'! Some 'pizaz'!", and thereafter choosing to add chili flakes for some extra kick and bite.

To me, it just makes sense: The 'X' in 99-X represents the addition of chili flakes.

I've said all this before, but the question keeps arising... I can not see how it is an unreasonable proposition. It is a very logical conclusion to draw from the few facts we have. Eliminating Sage, for example, makes no sense to me, because Sage is HUGE in the annals of poultry "herbs and spices"; and it is one of the most common herbs that people declare to be in there... But chili flakes? I don't know of anyone who has said that... and if they have, they haven't crossed my path.

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As a matter of fact, if the Chairman of the Board of Yum Brands emailed us the actual list of ingredients without the correct quantities or proportions, we'd probably still be here 2 years from now trying to get it right.

Yes, this is true, but do we stop trying because of that? Do we just give up? This sounds like something that a "Chairman of the Board of Yum Brands" would want... Yes, our war is on two fronts: First we must attempt to conquer the 11 spices and herbs, and secondly we must find the correct ratios for all of them. I tell you now that you may have the 11 precious ingredients, but without the correct ratios you wouldn't know it

We continue on, nevertheless...

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Look folks, I hate to say it, but we really have only one thing to rely on these days and that's the fading taste buds of geezers like me. But there is one thing I will take with me to my grave which many of you will never experience and that is a vivid memory of what the real Original Recipe chicken tasted like. C'mon folks, some of you weren't even born when Colonel Sanders sold his chicken empire for a measly $2,000.000 so how can you claim to know what the Original Recipe chicken tasted like?

Not quite true my friend... Anyone who tried the Original Recipe up until 1979 definitely tasted the real thing. I have posted news articles from '79 where the Colonel gave the thumbs up to the O.R of that year... now the gravy mind you? That's another story... but he said the O.R was acceptable, which is good enough for me.

I would also declare that the chicken was "acceptable" up until PepsiCo bought the Company in 1986... and I would hazard a guess that the O.R didn't totally collapse until 1991, when they legally changed the companies name to "KFC", and tried to minimize Colonel Sanders image on all KFC promotional paraphernalia: You see, these changes reflected an internal change in the structure of KFC Corp., when a new breed of "shirt and ties" took over and made the almighty dollar the ABSOLUTE focus of the company. It was at this point that nothing was considered sacred anymore, not even the O.R itself.

So, your tastebuds Lumpy, as precious as they are, do not have a monopoly on the O.R flavor of old. You may disagree with some of our findings, which you are free to do, but your arguments need to be supported with facts and logic which can stand up to reason, especially if you choose to vent those thoughts...

We need to uncover as many facts and tidbits of "evidence" related to the O.R as we can; and we need to support and promote them, because in the end too, the tastebud is a bit like, "he said, she said...", but when there is evidence - like the TCK Proof List, then you have something concrete which KFC Corp can't refute.

Why do you think they CHANGED the nutritional listing of "mustard" and "celery" on the UK KFC site, which had clearly stated they were in ALL Original Recipe products... every last one (I checked!) It wasn't a "maybe", that they were in there, it was an adamant "yes"!

They changed it because of our irrefutable research and evidence.

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Every member of this fine board should be proud of his or her contribution, but what it really comes down to is taste; not what we think it might have tasted like, but how it actually did.

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I know...... and when I taste it again, I'll know it. And I guess I need to keep trying until I do. L

Spot on Lumpy my friend... Now, don't be a "negative nelly" and let's get back into that kitchen! We need positive thinking and thoughtful encouragement which will inspire people, not negative thoughts which will bring them down! For those negative thoughts only please one group: KFC Corp...

It is they who want us to give up, but I will fight that urge to the end; until one of us cracks that code!

hey lumpy! i dig what you're saying but lets face it, your memory of real kfc maybe different than another "old geezers" memory. for example, the colonel started this forum with the idea of replicating colonel sanders true o.r. and he remembers o.r. from the sixties. i was born in 1961 and i came out of the womb eating fried chicken, (my all time favorite food to this day). believe me, i ate loads of o.r. during the sixties). my point is this, 99x may not be 100% o.r. of the 60's, but i swear its closer than any recipe ive tried. and ive tried quite a few. likewise, most people who have commented on 99x seem to concur. as far as offering definitive proof, thats like saying prove that your o.r. memory is the same as mine, and if you cant, then my memory is right and yours is wrong. in the end all that matters is that we all find the recipe that gives us our own personal o.r. of old. if those recipes happen to be different, cool!

Brodie wrote:

...in the end all that matters is that we all find the recipe that gives us our own personal o.r. of old. if those recipes happen to be different, cool!

Hey Brodie! That's some SAGE advice right there! ... lol ... Sorry mate, I couldn't resist!!!

haha colonel! that was real "original"!!!

hehe... Well Brodie, you've sure got the "recipe" for laughter! and not the extra cruspy type either!