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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: The Proof: Bay Leaves Reply with quote

1st - Bay Leaves
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WELL, THATS COOL ITS IN 99x and mckormick... how does that prove its in KFC???
I DONT SEE A VIAL THAT MATCHS GROUND UP BAY LEAVES... BAYS LEAVES ALTERS KFC GRAVY WHEN ADDED TO KFC GRAVY...no bay leaves..
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DERRICK WILSON wrote:
WELL, THATS COOL ITS IN 99x and mckormick... how does that prove its in KFC???
I DONT SEE A VIAL THAT MATCHS GROUND UP BAY LEAVES... BAYS LEAVES ALTERS KFC GRAVY WHEN ADDED TO KFC GRAVY...no bay leaves..


Wo... You clearly have a lot of reading to do my friend... But not to worry, because TCK is here!

Here's a simple rundown to tide you over, though:

99-X IS the O.R Seasoning... It was approved by Colonel Sanders and was sold to hundreds of KFC's throughout the 60's and 70's; although like it's KFC Corporate Sister, it has been watered down since the death of Colonel Sanders....

Now, Bay Leaf has been PROVEN to be in 99-X, therefore Bay Leaves were in Colonel Sanders' Original Recipe for Fried Chicken Wink

Pretty simple really...

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH YOUR LOGIC....ALL YOU PROVE IS ITS IN MARION KAY SPICES AND MCCORMICKS...I TOOK KFC GRAVEY ADDEC SOME BAY LEAF AND IT ALTERED THE FLAVOUR....NO BAY LEAF...IF ANYTHING..IT WOULD HAVE ENHANCED THE GRAVY..IT DOESNT...IT ALTERS THE GRAVEY...IM SOO TIRED OF PEOPLE TELLING ME IM WRONG WHEN THEY SPOUT LIES.....WHEN I ADD ONION POWDER IT ENHANCES...WHEN I HAD PEPPER IT ENHANCES...WHEN I HAD TOMATOE POWDER IT ENHANCES....WHEN I ADD OTHER BS LIKE CARDIMON AND BAY LEAVES AND OTHERS IT ALTERS....THE RIGHT H AND SPICES ONLY ENHANCE THE TASTE, NOT ALTER IT ...YOU DONT BELIEVE ME...
I TELL YOU ALL THE HERBS AND SPICES AND THE ELEMENTS USED...
NO SALT.....
NO CARDIMON...
NO BAYLEAVES....
THE ORIGINAL 11 HAVE NO SALT VIALS....THE YELLOOW VIAL IS MUSTARD POWDER....NOT CURRY...NOT TUMERICK...NOT GINGER...
WHICH OF THESE SPICES WOULD YOU USE FOR FALVOUR...???
OBVIOUSLY MUSTARD POWDER...ADDS HEAT ALSO WHEN LIQUID TOUCHES IT....
SANDERS GRAVY I MAKE...NOT KENTUCKY FRIED. NOT KFC...
IF I WANTED TO CHEAPEN OUT SANDERS RECIPE...I WOULD USE TUMERICK....LESS FLAVOUR AND LESS COST...ALSO ALTERS CHICKEN FLAVOUR TO LACKING...
UNDERSTAND...I DONT COOK FOOD...I CREATE IT...
I BELIEVE IF ONE MAN CAN MAKE IT, ANOTHER CAN BREAK IT...
ALL THE INGREDIANTS ARE FOUND IN ANY KITCHEN....
FOR A YEAR I SKIPPED OUT SALT ...AFTER USEING MSG AS A MARINADE..I DONT LIKE THE TASTE OF SALT ANYMORE...I DONT LIKE THE TASTE OF KFC ANY MORE...
MSG IS AWSOME BUT EXPENSIVE...SALT IS CHEAPER ...
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrick, you are welcome to your opinion, but in the end, that's all it is, unfortunately...

Where is your evidence?

99-X was manufactured with Colonel Sanders personal approval... Sure, it has been watered down (like the Corps O.R), but it still contains the core ingredients of the O.R of old...

And one of them is Bay Leaf. Wink

Again, present YOUR evidence so that we may assess its veracity. You never know, you might win us over on some points...

TC

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TC

There is definitely bay-leaf in 99-X. I have seen that ingredient for myself in the Marion Kay container.

Because dried bay-leaf is quite difficult to grind by itself... (Try this in your own electric grinders at home and you will see what I mean)... Then occasionally it leaves behind small flaked or fragmented pieces, visible to the naked eye.

I have seen such pieces, or fragments of bayleaf in the MK 25oz containers for myself. They are few and far between, but they are obviously bay-leaf you can sometimes even see the tiny leaf veins on the small fragments.

Also in the MK container, you can see the red chilli/pepper flakes which are a brighter red colour than what I have observed in vial J... I cannot be certain of the brand of chilli pepper, but it is definitely visible to the eye too.

I don't know where Mr Derrick Wilson is from in the world, but I will add this though in his favour... In South Africa they have KFC outlets that sell KFC chicken, which appears to contain marjoram. (taken from a South African ingredient and allergen list in 2010)

Marjoram weighs 0.6g per teaspoon (USDA weight) which is the same weight exactly for Bay-Leaf. My thoughts are in that country they chose not to sell the colonel's original recipe chicken there, as the laws of the country require them to reveal many ingredients and they appear to disclose more than most countries on their allergen lists)

So the fact the two ingredients weigh the same, makes me think they replaced the bay-leaf in the colonel's original recipe with marjoram and I personally think some other ingredients were 'exchanged' too, for example cardamon which has a USDA weight of 2g per teaspoon, was probably replaced with celery seed, which also has an exact USDA weight of 2g). That ingredient is also shown in relation to South African chicken recipes.

Over there, it is simply called SA Chicken and like most places they sell it in buckets and the usual size KFC meals... You can even 'go large' with the meals etc.

My opinion is the corporation changed the original recipe ingredients so as not to reveal the colonel's original recipe. Hence you will not find original recipe chicken in South Africa... Only an altered recipe with ingredients that weigh the same and could easily be exchanged without complicating things and without enormous change to the core of the recipe.

We can of course prove beyond doubt that celery seed is not in the colonel's original recipe in both the US and UK because laws on allergens in those countries reveal that there is definitely no celery. (... or mustard either).

Now if my opinion here (and it is just an opinion) is proven correct, then it is more than coincidence that celery seed and marjoram just happen to weigh the same as cardamom and bay-leaf.. and are easily interchangeable.

Now that's why I am wondering where Derrick Wilson is from or where he gets his information from ... Because if his info is connected to South Africa, or they use the South African recipe in his own country then he might just hold a valid view.

For the rest of us though, in the US and UK and many other countries, the microscopic and associated evidence clearly supports bay-leaf and cardamon seed as being part of 99-X and contained in the colonel's original recipe seasoning.

Please bear in mind this is simply my own view here and it does also go some way to confirming bay-leaf and cardamom as being part of the Colonel's recipe.

Ken

Here is a link to the South African Ingredients and Allergens Document on which I have based my opinions:

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrick Wilson,

Reference my post above...

I am very interested in your views and your recipe. Is there any chance you will send me it via PM (personal message). I believe you don't wish to share it on the forum with everyone, but I thought if I was to say please etc. you might consider allowing me to try it, with assurances of not sharing it further, without your permission.

I would love to try it as I think it may represent a taste from my much younger days.

Particularly if it has marjoram and or celery seed in it.. That would be more than a coincidence for me.

Thanks in advance

Ken
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