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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:48 am    Post subject: The Proof: Cardamom Reply with quote

2nd - Cardamom
(TC, 2009) and (dprovo, Aug 2009)

Evidence:
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First Proof!

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Third Proof!
TC was the first to use Cardamom and brought it to our attention
through his taste tests...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Below is a picture of ground green Cardamom from the Great American Spice Company website. To me it looks exactly like the Marion-Kay Cardamom I use in all my O.R. attempts. I went to the store today to see what McCormick Cardamom looks like and it seems to be a lighter shade of gray than the others. My point is that none of them look like vial "H". Look at them and then tell me that, along with my tastebuds, my vision is failing too. It sure seems like Cardamom is in 99-X, but if it's in the O.R., it sure ain't in vial "H".


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You must have missed these photos, my good friend:


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Photo 1 shows a very clear match texturally with vial "H"... look at the ridges and mounds, and the clumping effect shown in both photos

Photo 2 shows a perfect match color-wise, but again look at the granular effect in this picture, and compare it to the bottom 3rd of vial "H"

Photo 3 is a nice match as well (note the light and dark colored specs).

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It should also be noted that as ground cardamom is very expensive to produce (due to the tiresome harvesting, and de-podding process) MANY so-called "ground cardamom" spice packs actually contain the green POD as well as the seeds.

You see, high-grade pure ground cardamom is made with only the seeds of the cardamom pod. The actual green pod is peeled off and discarded. Now, the seeds themselves are cream to brown, to almost black in color. So, if your ground cardamom has any green tinges, it is because the green colored pods were ground along with the seeds (Usually, in order to save money). In fact most of the cheaper varieties of cardamom powder are almost cream in color (the cheaper varieties of green cardamom are very dull in color, many times, not even green)

The photos above are of pure ground cardamom seeds, and as you can see, they are not green at all.

The only confusion here Lumpy, is regarding the Marion Kay cardamom you have in your possession: I too have bought it in the past, but the one I bought very closely matched vial "H" (not perfectly) but it did not appear to be green to my eyes... Perhaps this coloring varies, depending on the batch, or time of year it is harvested, producer/grower?

Anyway, to my mind, based on 99-X and the above photos, it is a "sealed deal". But as always, I'm open to other ideas and evidences, especially when it comes from respected members such as yourself Lumpy Wink

Keep up the great work mate!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean to suggest that the Marion-Kay Cardamom has any green bits in it. It's more of a ground black pepper colour.

The other thing which surprised me was, when I looked at the McCormick website, the picture of its Gourmet Collection Cardamom looked very much like vial "H", but when I went to the store and looked at it up close, it was very light gray in colour.

Before completing this reply, I checked the Herbie's website and found the image of ground green Cardamom there looks very much like vial "H".

But TC, just for my own peace of mind, what colour is the brand of Cardamom which you use?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lumpy wrote:


But TC, just for my own peace of mind, what colour is the brand of Cardamom which you use?

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Ah yes... I buy the de-podded seeds by the packet at my local Indian Spice Store. I then grind them up myself (as I've bought too many pre-ground mixes which had additives, or fillers, in them: Some even smelt like sawdust!)

Once ground, it comes out a nice mid-brown color, with grey flecks here and there. I do not grind it as much as the vial, or the other photos above, demonstrate; however, I always run my mixes through a relatively fine sieve, and grind whatever doesn't fall through the holes Wink

I believe some folks consider vial "H" to possibly be nutmeg? I personally do not think this at all... Nutmeg is more a reddy/brown color. And the texture is different too (Vial "H" is somewhat "fluffy" in appearance, wouldn't you say? Just like ground cardamom is)

That's my opinion anyway...

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback, TC. Next thing on my agenda will be driving to Richter's to buy a bag of Green Cardamom pods. I'll de-seed them and then grind them myself like KK does. It'll be way cheaper than ordering from M-K (and fresher too).

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:20 pm    Post subject: funny Reply with quote

its really funny/strange, how spices and herbs can mimmick each other. colors and such. thats why i try to keep an open mind. Wink Wink
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cardamon ruins kfc gravy...smells like DAISYS.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DERRICK WILSON wrote:
cardamon ruins kfc gravy...smells like DAISYS.


Everyone is welcome to their own opinions Derrick... However, we respect evidence-based verdicts, first and foremost.

Cardamom was discovered in 99-X, therefore it was a part of Colonel Sanders' O.R Wink

If it really stands out when you cook it up in a batch of fried chicken, then you are using too much. Cardamom is a VERY strong and aromatic spice... a little goes a long way...

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi TC,

you may want to read where Derrick is coming from if you haven't read his proof list for his version of the recipe.


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Sadly no measurements were given, and I don't have the time to try to figure out all the combinations of his list.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tc...you seem to doubt...your also lazy....ive cooked over 365 different batchs....MY PROOF IS I KNOW ITS A GRAVY RECIPE BREADED TO CHICKEN....YOU GO AHEAD AND USE CARDIMON OR GINGER OR THE OTHER FLOWERY SPICES THAT RUIN YOUR OIL....
IF YOU ALL WANT TO USE CARDIMON....GOOD LUCK...ITS A FALSE TRAIL.... NOBODY QUESTIONS THE GRAVY I MAKE...THEY GET SOME OF THE BEST FLASHBACK TO CHILD HOOD...
I KNOW THE FINAL PRODUCT OF KFC PRESUURE FRYER IS THE CRACKLINS...
THE COLS PRIDE WAS ALL ABOUT THE GRAVEY....WHEN YOU SOLVE THE GRAVY YOU SOLVE THE CHICKEN RECIPE ...A DUH...
THEY GO HAND IN HAND...YOU MESS UP GRAVEY CRACKLINS...YOU MESS UP CHICKEN FLAVOUR....GINGER WAS A COURT ROOM METAPHOR FOR ONION POWDER....
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Derrick,

Would you be so kind as to post the quantities to your recipe for all of us to try.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excuse me here , but really I DON'T want to try it !

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YES, COOKING IS AN ADVENTURE...TOO BAD...YOU MISS OUT...MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEAVE IF YOUR NOT INTERESTED IN SANDERS RECIPE...
OTHERS ARE AND YOUR JUST BS...
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrick, you are welcome here, but remember our rules... Especially the part about having respect for other members.

As to your points, ginger is a 100 percenter... It was mentioned in Jack Masseys biography and by a Franchisee, no less. He even mentioned the VARIETY... Jamaican.

How can you doubt that?

If we are to succeed in this mission of ours we need consistency and logic... So far, I'm only seeing emotion and opinion from your side... Do you really expect to win people over with bluster, anger and visible frustration?

I understand the root of your frustration though:

You genuinely believe you have "cracked the code"... You feel you have discovered the secrets of the O.R that no one else has been able to comprehend... Perhaps you even feel that Colonel Sanders himself has guided you to it.

Being sure of all this, you then started promoting it to the whole world, with great enthusiasm and gusto... All the while, you were absolutely positive that you'd be received with open arms and a great big "pat on the back"... You imagined conferences, books, and media interviews filled with folks who were desperate to ask how you "did it"... And finally, you imagined the KFC corporation itself falling at your feet in submission... Because YOU, and you alone had "cracked" the Colonel's Code...

But... the reality is that NONE of that happened.

In fact, something much, much worse happened: people were scornful and mocking towards you... Instead of praise you received harsh words. Instead of glory, you received derision. And the greatest blow of all? You received absolutely no attention from the world's media... Not even from the millions of small-time internet bloggers... No accolades, no awards, and most definitely NO attention from KFC Corp.

After this, you became incredibly bitter, angry and spiteful... Furious that no one would recognise your "incredible" achievement... How could they ignore you, you thought... How can they NOT see?!

So now, you spend your time trolling internet-based food forums gloating about a recipe that you will NEVER be able to prove the veracity of... All the while, being filled with spite towards all those who simply disagree.

I know you Derrick Wilson... Believe me, I KNOW you.

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Anyway, here is what I am willing to do for you: if you like, PM me your recipe, including all ratios, ingredient qtys and brand names... And I ABSOLUTELY promise you, I will cook it up and trial it. If it has the taste I recall, I will be the first to admit it...

This is your chance to win TC over... What say you?

Regards,

TC

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